Published by John Hoff on 12 Jan 2008 at 05:14 am
How To Protect Your Assets Using Business Structures
A real estate mentor of mine once said, “If you choose to pursue wealth, do so wisely, and with good planning. Because once you begin accumulating wealth, there will be no shortage of unscrupulous people who will try to take it from you.”
In my article, The Different Types of Corporations, LLCs, Partnerships, & More, I discuss the different business structures available to business owners in the United States (sole proprietor, partnerships, corporations, limited liability companies, and living trusts).
If you’re only in the beginning stages of starting a business and don’t own many assets or other businesses, simply setting up one business structure, such as an LLC, is usually sufficient.
But what do you do as your business flourishes and you begin to acquire assets? Is owning only one business structure providing you with nearly 100% asset protection?
The answer is no.
The best method for asset protection is to combine the power of different business structures.
Example
Let’s assume a few years back you wanted to start a landscape company (I use this example because my brother and father own Modern Landscape, LLC). You formed an LLC which is to own the business and insulate you and your personal assets from any possible lawsuits that may occur as a result of your landscape company’s work.

In this structure, if by chance someone from one of the landscape jobs got hurt, they could sue. However, because you formed an LLC to own the business, the person could only sue the LLC and attach a judgment to whatever it may own. If you were smart, the LLC owns nearly nothing.
Now let’s say it’s 5 years later and your business has flourished. You now own 2 rental properties, a big expensive house, stocks, lots of personal items (jewelry, clothing, art, collectibles, etc.), and your landscape company. You now own multiple safe assets and dangerous assets.
The dangerous assets would include anything with a higher risk of being able to create a situation in which someone may sue you. In this example, your two rental properties and your landscape business are your dangerous assets (though your car is probably the most).
As a result, you could structure yourself with the following business structure. You should note, this is not the best business structure to form.
Not-So-Good Structure

The benefit to forming this business structure is if anyone wanted so sue you from either the landscape business side or the rental property sides, they can only sue your LLC and cannot touch anything outside of it (your house, stocks, collectibles, art, etc.). The drawback to this structure is if someone in Rental B gets hurt and decides to sue, they could attach Rental A and your landscape company to the judgment.
Adding Multiple LLCs
So how do you insulate each from the other? The answer is to form a separate LLC for each of your dangerous assets (but not your vehicle, explained later). So now our asset diagram looks as follows:
Better Structure

This structure is a MUCH better business structure for the entrepreneur that owns such assets.
Now, if that same person in the example above got injured in Rental B and wanted to sue, they could only sue the owner of that rental property (Rental B). Who’s the owner? That one LLC which has nothing to do with Rental A, your landscape business, or your personal assets. Those are all insulated from this one lawsuit. Therefore, only your one rental property is at risk.
Even though this is a better business structure than the previous diagram, it still leaves you a bit unprotected. If you notice, your personal assets are floating around up there virtually unprotected from lawsuits (though protected from your dangerous business assets). The question then is, how do you protect those assets from all other lawsuits.
There are multiple possibilities but I will give you the one I prefer.
I like making use of partnerships - or more to the point, the Family Limited Partnership (FLP). An FLP by nature is used to protect family assets and is typically created by a husband and wife. The FLP should contain personal, non-dangerous assets: jewelry, clothing, art, stocks, etc. These items are unlikely to cause a lawsuit but will be insulated by the protection of the FLP from other judgments against you outside of the FLP. You should never include your most dangerous asset, your vehicle, in an FLP.
If you read through my article on Partnerships you should have noticed that an FLP is composed of both general partners and limited partners.
In a typical FLP, the husband and wife would be both general partners and limited partners (general partners can be held liable and limited partners cannot). Their general partnership interests would only contain about 1 or 2 percent interest in the FLP while the remaining percentage held in their limited interest.
This is favorable because now only 1 or 2 percent of what’s contained in their FLP can be attached to judgments and creditors (again, only general partners can be held liable).
Now that the FLP has been set up and contains all your personal assets, you can set it up so that your FLP owns all your LLC’s, providing that the FLP only owns the LLC’s and nothing contained in them. In other words, the FLP might own the landscape’s LLC, but it does not own the landscape company itself. So now our diagram is almost complete and looks as follows:
Even Better Business Structure

The nice thing about FLPs is they are dynamic. Partners in the FLP can always sell or gift away their interests which makes the FLP a versatile asset protection and pass-down to heirs structure.
Adding a Living Trust
At this point, if you have formed the above business structure for asset protection you are nearly 100% protected.
There is one more piece of the puzzle we need to add to complete our diagram of nearly full asset protection - and that is a living trust.
As you can see in the diagram above, your house is included in the FLP. People can still get hurt on your property; a fire might start from your house and spread to another; etc. If such an occurrence happened, everything in your FLP could be at risk; therefore, we need to separate the house from the FLP and place it in its own legal entity called a living trust.
Now the trust owns your house, not you. But don’t worry, you still control the trust (and get to live in, sell, rent, and everything else to the house). By doing this, our diagram now looks as follows:
Best Asset Protection Structure

By using the above business structure, you can reduce the risk of losing multiple assets to a lawsuit stemming from one of your other assets or business practices.
If you have noticed, there is one asset I have left untouched . . . and that is your vehicle or car. A car is about the most dangerous asset you can own and should be left out of all structures you form. Of course if you own a construction company you might have to own a truck, but even that could be owned by something else. Your vehicle is the object most likely to be involved in something resulting in a lawsuit.
By being excluded from everything else you own, if you were to get in an accident and get sued, the person suing you would have nothing to go after; everything you own is owned by something else. As a result, the one suing you would likely simply accept an insurance settlement and be done with it.
In conclusion, by learning the tools at their disposal and a little smart planning, a wise entrepreneur will structure their assets in a way so that they may keep what they have worked so hard to obtain. Please keep in mind too that all I can give you is what I know from experience and what I’ve learned over the years in business. I am not (nor is anyone here at eVentureBiz) a lawyer and thus it is always wise to obtain advice from a lawyer in many matters.
If you own a business or want to set up a business structure for asset protection, eVentureBiz can do this for you. We provide incorporation services and state trademarks. Simply use the contact form to get in touch with us or visit our incorporation home page and we’ll be happy to help. Our rates are low and our work is second to none.
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H H
on 08 Jun 2008 at 2:53 am #
Great article!
What if a person owns substantial amounts of stocks and bonds. Where should these be included? In the FLP? Owning stocks and bonds within an FLP doesn’t expose the other assets in the FLP to any risk, right?
Also, can an unmarried individual form an FLP?
John Hoff
on 08 Jun 2008 at 7:58 pm #
Hello H H. Thanks for stopping by and thanks for the compliment on the article. I remember the day I prepared for this article I was sitting on the couch sipping my coffee mapping it all out in a flow chart.
Here’s some answers for you:
Yes. It’s usually done using multiple business structures linked together to provide better asset protection. For example, a corporation and a trust might be the owners of the FLP, not necessarily you.
Remember too that a FLP is really just a LP (Limited Partnership). The term “family” is just a term used to identify what you’re using the LP for - which is usually to protect personal assets as opposed to setting up a partnership venture with another individual.
Typically you only want “safe” assets in your FLP (assets that aren’t likely to cause a lawsuit). If anything in your FLP causes a lawsuit then everything in your FLP could be at risk.
I wouldn’t think your stocks could cause a lawsuit, but if you have a lot of stocks, you want to make damn sure nothing else in your FLP will put them at risk.
Here’s basically what you’d want to do to fully protect those.
You would set yourself up with 3 things:
- a LLC to actually hold the stocks and bonds
- a FLP which would hold the certificate of interest of the LLC (i.e. the shares in the company)
- And then two structures that would own the FLP: a C-Corporation and a trust. The C-corp would be the general partner and the trust would be the limited partner.
In essence, what this structure would do is allow you to control everything but own nothing. Pretty cool, huh?
Now the tricky part is you have to make sure it’s set up properly. Missing one thing could leave an area at risk. For example, your C-corp can only hold a certain amount of interest in the FLP.
Anyway, good luck and good questions! We set up corporations and other business structures should you need that service. Hope to see you around.
John
Nicole
on 29 Jun 2008 at 9:36 am #
Wouldn’t a Series LLC accomplish some of the same things mentioned, but with lower annual fees than having multiple LLC’s? I live in Illinois and that is one of the options that I have….I currently have a business that makes a lot of revenue per year, I have money tied up in stocks and bonds and of course personal assets that I would like to protect. I found your article interesting and very helpful, but it seems like a lot of different structures….so, my question is whether a Series LLC could cut down on the complexity of the structure mentioned above?
Thanks in advance.
John Hoff
on 29 Jun 2008 at 6:06 pm #
Hello Nicole.
My apologies for being a bit unorganized. I’ve written an article on Series LLCs but in static html, not as a Wordpress blog. It’s filed under the Entrepreneur’s Lounge in the Relax Cafe of this website.
The article is here: The New Series Limited Liability Company
I think I’m planning to just do away with the Entrepreneur’s Lounge as many of the ideas I had for it I’ve opted to post in this blog here.
To answer your question, yes it would simplify a lot of this. Instead of having the 3 separate LLCs shown above, you could have just one with each house or business in it’s own segregated “cell.”
This means you only have to file 1 list of officers, 1 tax return, and a lot less paperwork.
Like I believe you were alluding to, the Series LLCs are not recognized by all 50 states. This can pose some issues if you deal out of state at all. Also, some states are starting to see Series LLCs as a loophole for business owners and investors not having to pay the state as much money for their business dealings.
States like California are working on being able to tax each “cell.” Makes sense in their eyes, right? Think of how much money a state would lose if everyone filed Series LLCs.
If you’re planning to use a Series LLC, make sure you know all the details on how your state recognizes them.
In my personal opinion, if you have a lot of assets needing protection and could be at risk, a Nevada corp / llc is the way to go. The NV corp provides the strongest protection for business owners out of all 50 states (plus the tax incentives). Then just foreign file to do business in your state.
Thanks for the comment and good question. I will move my Series LLC article over to my blog for better visibility. If you ever need any help incorporating, we provide those services f.y.i.
Suzanne R.
on 18 Jul 2008 at 8:01 am #
Hello John,
I came across your website after a Google search. I have a question regarding business entity formation. What is the true advantage in filing in Delaware? My understanding is that a business entity that’s based in a different other than Delaware would still have to file as a foreign corporation in their home state. If that’s the case, what would be the true advantage of filing in Delaware then?
Here’s my situation:
I freelance on various live tv specials and awards productions such as The Academy Awards and Mercedes Benz Fashion Week. I am at the point where I no longer want to give out my social security number to people. I also want to cut down on my taxes.
Additionally, I want to start my own film festival, which would have a corporate headquarters in NYC (which is where I reside). Yet, it will create an annual event in California.
I don’t want to form a corporation b/c it sounds too complicated and requires meetings, minutes, and all this extra paperwork. Someone recommended a series LLC, but it’s not offered in NY. Also, I heard that if someone sues me they are not legally bound by Delaware law.
I was thinking of setting it up sort of like this (for illustration purposes):
Suzanne Enterprises, LLC - as the parent or umbrella company for:
Suzanne’s Ventures - for my freelance production jobs - 1 separate entity
Global Cinematic Arts - my film festival - 1 separate entity
What’s your take on the series LLC set-up? Is this doable or absurd? I’m worried about taxes and liability.
Thanks
-Suzanne R.
John Hoff
on 20 Jul 2008 at 8:18 pm #
Hi Suzanne,
Sorry about the late response. I took the family to California for a short getaway and promised no computer work LOL.
In answer to your question, foreign filing requirements are mandated by each state, usually governed for franchise tax purposes.
The advantage of filing a Delaware corporation is the state’s statutes have been designed to benefit shareholders of public corporations. That’s why large corporations who trade on exchanges incorporate in Delaware to provide the best protection to their shareholders.
Also, Delaware has adopted statutes that allow corporations to limit the liability of a director for monetary damages but officers are still not covered.
Furthermore, Nevada has established statutes that have minimal reporting and disclosure requirements for private corporations, requiring only one person to form the corporation. In other words, a single individual can be named as the entire board of Directors and all of the officers. This isn’t so in some states.
The advantage of filing in Nevada (in my opinion the best place) is there is no corporate income tax, no tax on corporate shares issued, no franchise tax, no personal income tax and no IRS information sharing agreement. Delaware is not tax-free; its franchise tax has a graduated rate depending on capitalization.
The series LLC has been approved in Delaware and Nevada for asset protection purposes. The Series LLC allows for the creation of separate series “cells” within a single LLC entity (as you might already know). Each series within the LLC is allowed to have separate assets, separate liabilities and separate ownership.
In answer to your question about being sued, a corporation is governed by the state in which it is domiciled in.
So if in Delaware or Nevada they are governed by the laws of that state and not the state you live in. When you form a corporation, whether it’s in Nevada, California, Delaware or wherever, you must follow certain corporate formalities though. A corporate entity can do everything you can do except act or think, so it does those things through your board of directors, officers, shareholders, managers and members.
If your corporation does not keep accurate records of meetings by minutes and if the corporation commingles funds, it makes it easier for someone to pierce your corporate veil if the corporation is involved in a lawsuit. Again, Nevada is the best place in our opinion to form your corporation and provides the best liability protection.
Regarding your illustration, yes a Series LLC is doable and I would recommend filing it in Nevada with Suzanne Enterprises, LLC as the “parent” single LLC. The series cells “LLC” under the parent would be as you’ve named them.
Regarding taxes, there is one taxpayer ID number for the entity as the series is considered to be one company (sure makes things a lot easier at tax time).
As for saving in taxes, it would be impossible to really examine your company in depth and how you do business in every aspect through this blog and provide proper tax advice. In this regard, your best bet would be to let us set up your business structure and then crunch the tax numbers with a CPA.
I’d be happy to further discuss any questions you have or assist you in getting this filed (our company provides incorporation services and is based here in Nevada). Should you like to work with us, please feel free to use the contact form on this blog and we can go from there.
Thanks for the comment and I hope this clears some things up for you. Sounds like you have an exciting career!
Suzanne
on 27 Jul 2008 at 4:42 pm #
Hi John,
Thanks for responding to my last inquiry. I wanted to know if nominee services for privacy are legal. I see they are quite popular in Nevada. Can a nominee service be used to incorporate in NY?
Thanks
-Suzanne
Theresa
on 28 Jul 2008 at 8:51 am #
Hi Suzanne,
My name is Theresa and I head up the incorporation services here at eVentureBiz. In answer to your question, yes it is legal to use a nominee on your corporation for privacy in Nevada and New York. There are designated laws concerning use of nominees in each of the states.
Typically this service is fulfilled by most resident agents in the state of Nevada providing the name and signature of a nominee on the list of officers and directors filed with the Secretary of State which is the only NRS “Nevada Revised Statutes” 78 mandated public record of the corporation. A nominee could also be someone you know and trust; example a friend or business associate.
An Officer or Director who is designated to be a nominee has no ownership or authority to act in any manner for the corporation. The Articles of Incorporation and Corporate Bylaws reflect the actual owner and shareholder in the Corporation. The purpose of course is not to be the public individual(s) of the private Corporation.
Thanks for your comment and if we can be of any further assistance helping you set up a corporation please don’t hesitate to let us know.
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Suzanne
on 28 Jul 2008 at 11:35 pm #
Thanks, Theresa, for your response. When in incorporating in Nevada, the advantage is that one can maintain privacy. However, one would have to apply for a mandatory business license. Therefore, your personal identity becomes known then despite having used a nominee/manager service. Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of applying in NV? I heard that in Douglas County, supposedly, a business license is not required. Is there any truth to that?
Theresa
on 29 Jul 2008 at 10:52 am #
Hi Suzanne,
You are correct, one must file for a Nevada State Business License in Nevada, but it is not for public record. The State Business Licensing Division will not show the list of officers or shareholders on any public record search. It only shows when a company filed and if it is current, what county it is in, etc…
Thanks,
Theresa
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John Hoff
on 29 Jul 2008 at 4:53 pm #
@ Suzanne - I can see the confusion. Here’s an easy way to think of it:
You set up a corporation in NV and in a way that you are anonymous.
Now your corporation can own a business, real estate, assets, etc. This corporation wants to run a business, so it gets a business license. Yes you have to put your name on the business license but what shows up if someone does a search on who has that business license is a corporation, not you.
Aaron
on 03 Aug 2008 at 8:42 pm #
This is a wonderful article. Very clear. It sits a little uneasy with me though. Is this ever exploited? I completely understand the need and drive to protect yourself from frivolous lawsuits but what happens if it is used to skirt the law. I’ll concede that people need protection from random greed. I have a friend that was subject to a large frivolous law suit and he ended up paying a large out of court settlement. But take this example: Say I started a landscaping business I don’t have much experience dealing with potential safety hazards. A worker gets hurt and lets say it is because I didn’t provide a safe working environment. My company is a relatively new start-up and isn’t an LLC. I’m scared of being sued, so I find an LLC is the best way to protect my assets. Say I have another unrelated large landscaping job on a lot that I own and want to sell. This could be a large source of income and I want that protected. After the damage is done, I move the title to my lot and other dangerous assets under a new LLC that I formed for explicitly for this protection. Now say the worker has mounting hospital bills and can’t afford them. I guess ethics are neither here nor there, but the situation is an obvious attempt to exploit current structures just because I, an inexperienced, negligent employer don’t want to assume responsibility for my own actions. The end result is someone who can be considered legally responsible can get out of paying any money to someone whose life he wrecked. Is this specific case legal? In this basic case, can a person turn to this structure after the injury to protect his “business investments”? In this specific case, can this be used to get off on a “technical detail”?
John Hoff
on 03 Aug 2008 at 10:17 pm #
Hello Aaron,
Good question and I’ll try to keep the answer from getting - too long.
I see where your concern comes in, however it works a little differently. I think maybe you have misinterpreted the purpose of setting up a business structure to protect your assets that have nothing to do with your business.
The short answer to your question, however, is insurance (a.k.a. SIIS - State Industrial Insurance System).
Every legit business needs to provide workman’s comp if you have 1 or more employee(s). So if you have an employee who gets hurt and racks up huge medical bills because you provided an unsafe work environment, your insurance (workman’s comp) will pay for it. Furthermore, if the worker was seriously injured and could no longer work, SIIS would pay him/her disability.
You could equate the landscaping example to an employee working at a Hilton Hotel, for example. Let’s say you’re the owner and for some reason, you decided to mop a floor (and because you’re the owner doesn’t necessarily mean you are experienced in mopping floors).
You forget to put out the “wet floor” sign and an employee slips and falls. Because your company must have insurance, you send your employee to the hospital and your insurance pays the bill.
In this example, do you think it would be right if that employee lawfully could sue you personally because you forgot to put out that “wet floor” sign and attach your Malibu vacation home to a judgment against you?
Of course not.
The LLC in both the Hilton example and landscaping example protects assets you own and have nothing to do with “landscaping” from being exposed to what that business does.
Does this means then an owner of an LLC can get away with anything then?
Nope.
If you commit fraud or willfully do something that can cause injury to another, then no business structure will protect you and your assets.
To specifically answer a couple of your questions and comments:
Is this ever exploited? - I’m sure people have tried.
What happens if it (setting up a business structure) is used to skirt the law? - If you’re doing something illegal, it won’t protect you.
In this basic case, can a person turn to this structure after the injury to protect his “business investments”? - Well not if the person decides to sue you before you set up the business structure. As for if you set up an LLC and then they decide to sue you, you would have to check your state’s laws on how they would deal with such occurrences. LLCs, corporations, and their owners are protected and dealt with differently depending on what state they are incorporated in.
In this specific case, can this be used to get off on a “technical detail”? - This question shouldn’t apply. The insurance would cover the problem. But if you committed fraud or broke the law and that’s the reason why the person got hurt, then you cannot avoid a lawsuit no matter what business structure you have set up.
Good question and did that all make sense?
Aaron
on 04 Aug 2008 at 12:13 pm #
Thank you for your quick response John, and yes it makes sense. I would like to ask you a few more questions, but instead of take up more space here, I’ll send you the questions through the “Contact John” link. Thank you again!
John Hoff
on 04 Aug 2008 at 12:33 pm #
My pleasure. We’re always here to help.
Jason Roberts
on 15 Aug 2008 at 11:27 am #
This is a great article. A few questions though. How does putting your house in a Living Trust protect it any more than having it sitting outside the FLP like the car? If something happened with the house that caused someone to sue you, they wouldn’t be able to get to any of your assets inside the FLP either way. Correct?
Also, if the house is in a Living Trust, can you still get tax deductions for the interest you pay on it?
Lastly, what is the best way to structure the FLP (% General, and % Limited) so as to provide the best asset protection? (It would be my wife and me as the only two partners)
John Hoff
on 15 Aug 2008 at 3:28 pm #
Hello Jason - thanks for commenting.
Here’s some answers for you:
Putting your house inside a Living Trust provides protection from, well - you.
For example, if you’re driving one day and get in an accident, in most cases your house will be protected if it’s inside a trust. If is wasn’t, this may not be the case.
Correct. Remember though, nothing is 100% full-proof, but for the most part, yes you are correct unless you commit fraud. Having the house in a Living Trust works best asset protection-wise in the example I gave you above. However, there are many more reasons to set up a trust outside asset protection. We are currently writing up some articles on this and if you want to stay up to date, feel free to subscribe to our blog up above.
Yes.
I would have to refer you Theresa (director of our incorporation services), she knows details like that better than I do. Also keep in mind, if it’s just some assets you want to include in the FLP which you want to pass down to heirs, it might be easier to just set up a living trust instead of an FLP. But again, that’s where Theresa could help you more and a little better understanding of what it is you want to do might help.
If you have time, please feel free to use our contact form for our incorporation and trust services. It goes right to Theresa and she can help you with details and if you like, help you get set up. Don’t worry about sending your email, we won’t release it to anyone or add you to any lists.
Thanks again for the comment and stopping by.
Adam
on 18 Aug 2008 at 2:41 pm #
Great article……very clear and precise. Hope to visit more often
John Hoff
on 18 Aug 2008 at 2:46 pm #
Thanks for stopping by, Adam. With the addition to Theresa to our company (our director of incorporation services), we have many more articles like this one coming up.
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Jacque
on 28 Aug 2008 at 12:57 am #
Hi john.
This website has been very helpful. Thank you. We have several businesses, LLC’s and S Corps. How does signing a personal guarantee for business loans etc. affect any of the assets in a trust or FLP, etc.? My husband has recently signed a few, but I have not.
John Hoff
on 28 Aug 2008 at 8:23 am #
Hello Jacque.
My pleasure. I’m glad you found my articles helpful
You’re asking a HUGE question which I’m not sure I can answer adequately for you. Having multiple business structures which contain corps, llcs, FLPs, and trusts is a very complex network of business structures (which can be good) but tricky and need to be set up properly - even if one has nothing to do with the other.
From your question what I think you’re asking is what happens if, for example, he defaults on a loan or two or something else might happen which might cause a liability issue because of these loans. Can the resulting repercussions put any of your other businesses, FLP, and trust at risk?
The best thing to do would be to see an attorney, to be honest. Someone would need to sit down and really examine what you got going on. Such things that would need to be viewed might be: how much ownership does this corp have in this llc or who is the limited partner and who is the general and what percentages?
The best answer I can give you via my blog is:
1. Business structures set up in NV uphold the strongest liability protection
2. If your structures were set up properly, your assets inside a trust and FLP should be protected pretty well
3. Not that I’m implying you do, but if you break the law or commit fraud then everything could be out the window
Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Jared
on 12 Sep 2008 at 9:09 pm #
John,
Great site, 1 of the few times I’ve had LLC structures explained with actual examples, makes it much easier.
One question I have though. I’m starting multiple internet start-up websites and I am getting 1 LLC at the time. I plan to put each different start-up under the 1 LLC and then if one or more of the start-ups grows substantially I’ll spin it off into its own structure whether it be an LLC or S-Corp. Is that a normal plan of action? Is it easy to spin-off the different sites into their own structures when the time is right?
Thanks
Jared
John Hoff - eVentureBiz
on 12 Sep 2008 at 9:33 pm #
Hello Jared.
Yep. That sounds like an excellent plan and creating multiple websites for multiple streams of income is a great option to do.
When you need a new LLC, you know where to come
Hey and then you could sell the website wrapped in an LLC as a business with income already being generated for the buyer.
Thanks for the comment and stopping by. Are you by chance on stumbleupon?
Jared
on 12 Sep 2008 at 10:34 pm #
Thanks John!!
Yup I’m on Stumbleupon, you sent me the link to this page. I didn’t even realize this was your business. My stumbleupon profile is jotoole4.
Great Site!
Jared
Ron Meledandri - Sentra Business Solutions
on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:58 am #
This was my first visit and I enjoyed the posting and the comments. You provide good, sound advice. I am glad that in the comments and answers to comments the subject of “operating as a corporation or LLC” was discussed. Many people think that just because the entity exists they are protected. They don’t releaize the need to operate accordingly (not mixing personal and business funds, keeping records, etc.) is vital for the legal protection.
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John Hoff
on 27 Sep 2008 at 10:03 am #
Hello Ron, thanks for stopping by.
You’re absolutely right. If you own a business, you need to keep things separate. I think in today’s Web 2.0 world many younger entrepreneurs who grew up with the Internet have so many easy avenues for creating an online business. They set up a website and start selling things in just a few days never sitting down with a CPA or attorney to discuss how to operate a successful business (idea of my last blog article).
Unfortunately, the behind the scenes part is not as fun as making connections and selling, but it’s a necessity.
Gabrielle
on 13 Nov 2008 at 6:39 am #
Hi there,
I stumbled upon your blog while searching for answers regarding the protection an LLC actually provides if your business should fail. Most sites deal with the scenario of being sued. Here is my situation.
I am a real estate investor and have a couple of properties that are in trouble. By that I mean they are vacant and one was remodeled beautifully and the market in that area plunged. Recouping that value will take a long while I’m afraid. The other one has major repair issues that were fixed once by the association as it involves the perimeter wall of the building. The Association took shortcuts apparently and the repair did not work. A few months later the wall is damaged again with constant water penetration and mold is an issue. The property is vacant pending repair again which they did claim responsibility for. However, right before work would begin again, the president of the board resigned suddenly, the manager was fired who was my supporter of this project, and come to find out there is no money and the association is headed for receivership.
Three mortgages, maintenance fees, and a ton of credit card debt on business credit cards done in the name of an LLC are what stares at me daily on my financial plate. The debts are way past my comfort zone, it is impossible to find a buyer and get out of these troubled properties now, I have focused all my time on trying to start a business on the internet, which is painfully slow going, and income is virtually at a standstill. I stacked up a cushion of money available to me via credit however in this economy I am seeing credit card companies pulling away benefits and raising rates really high for no justified reason. Getting to that money when needed is becoming of concern to hold me thru troubled times.
So how does my LLC, a single member one, protect me and my home and my personal assets if I should find myself without any more liquid cash to pay the current debt load? One property is in my name which is my residence. The credit cards and the other property is in the name of the LLC. I also have personal credit cards to some extent, but not too much since it mainly is in the LLC. The property that is in trouble is actually a “subject to” deal yet to walk away and let it hit the original owner who trusted me totally and has custody of his children from a divorce, that just didn’t seem like an option to me (although that might be the easy way to bail out however, at quite a loss of funds).
Any feedback or suggestions would be appreciated. I am also doing my research on this for another member of my family who has substantial assets, a good job, and has an investment property gone sour with an developer/association who filed bankruptcy, and they too are looking for protection. However they are already in foreclosure on that property as the bills got to be too much to handle.
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Gabrielle